Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster


  • DM

    Now seeing that line up and looking at Cantrips. Because I know how much @halfgiant LOVES to play level 1.

    Let’s add another Energy Strength of Cantrip with a -1 level mod and a die of 1d3 (or 1d2).

    This would apply to all Energy types that have a Base (1d4) capable casting.
    So the level 1 types can be cast at level 0 effective mod. This gives you magic missile at first level for 1d3 for 1 spell point. Or you can have a 1d3 magic arrow that you have to roll to hit for free (at will).

    Edit: added to above table.


  • DM

    @dwarf said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    • peers over at the cloud’s modified 10e fighter *

    yeah, he left 12th lvl at d10’s… so the fighter is whacking people for 4d10 energy spirit damage, which should wind up to an extra 8d10 - 16d10 depending on how many swings he’s gettin at that point… the balancing mechanic was that the fighter energy spirit damage per hit roughly equated to half a rogues backstab (who typically only gets ONE backstab in a round) and his total energy spirit damage was about the same a caster could generate, tho across a larger swath of opponents (as it was limited by the power pool)

    I have no idea how to apply these new damages ideas to the 10 Fighter and Theif damage yet… still thinking…


  • PC

    @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    I merged it into the 10e sheet data, simply starting at 1d4. Trimmed the 1, 1d2, and 1d3 from the top to make it line up. The 16d6 would be 16 if you come up with one 😛

    'cuz a 2400d8 plasmic fireball isn’t hot enuff, you want Saz cranking off 3200d6 ones instead ??
    (( oddly enuff, the max damage on both is identical ? ))

    now we just have to wait for bob to shortcut around the level cap - because if your stacking logic holds for costs, a +15 CL plasmic 10e fireball is what - a 9th lvl spell equivalent ?

    seriously tho - i’d considered throwing more dice upgrades in there… reason it didn’t work was there was so many metamagic fcheats that give you a +1 or +2 or +50% on your damage dice that shit started to get a little ridiculously large.

    • cough cough Bob cough *

    leaving it capped at d12’s kept the crazy to a minimum 🙂


  • DM

    @dwarf said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    I merged it into the 10e sheet data, simply starting at 1d4. Trimmed the 1, 1d2, and 1d3 from the top to make it line up. The 16d6 would be 16 if you come up with one 😛

    'cuz a 2400d8 plasmic fireball isn’t hot enuff, you want Saz cranking off 3200d6 ones instead ??
    (( oddly enuff, the max damage on both is identical ? ))

    now we just have to wait for bob to shortcut around the level cap - because if your stacking logic holds for costs, a +15 CL plasmic 10e fireball is what - a 9th lvl spell equivalent ?

    seriously tho - i’d considered throwing more dice upgrades in there… reason it didn’t work was there was so many metamagic fcheats that give you a +1 or +2 or +50% on your damage dice that shit started to get a little ridiculously large.

    • cough cough Bob cough *

    leaving it capped at d12’s kept the crazy to a minimum 🙂

    Plasmic Elemental Fire has a 200th level minimum requirement
    https://obelisk.daerma.com/topic/174/energy-types-by-caster-level/4

    but the spell level would be 9th, yes.

    Elemental Fire +1
    Blast 20’ radius +2
    Plasmic +15

    Total caster level +18
    Divided by 2 = Spell level 9
    Costing 9 spell points.
    doing 200 x 12d8 = 2400d8 = 2400 - 19200 damage
    Maximized is a +4 mod so ups the spell point cost to 13 spell points for 19200 damage.


  • PC

    yeah, i think i’ll keep mine locked at d12 ;p daren’s enough of a handful tossing around magnified and amped 54d12 balls of hatefucking as it is…

    but by all means, jiggle your 10e however thou wishest ! i’ll just sit over here and watch for his Smirk of Doom…


  • DM

    @dwarf said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    yeah, i think i’ll keep mine locked at d12 ;p daren’s enough of a handful tossing around magnified and amped 54d12 balls of hatefucking as it is…

    but by all means, jiggle your 10e however thou wishest ! i’ll just sit over here and watch for his Smirk of Doom…

    Because Curious… Yup dead cat incoming…

    54d12 means level 54?

    That opens the Strobing Energy Strength, which would be 8d6 base (+6 caster level mod) so 54*8d6 = 432d6 = 432 - 2592…


  • DM

    So yeah, I’ll work on those dice more, but I do think there should be more. Otherwise, what is the point of the Energy Strength beyond “Average”?


  • PC

    yeah, he’s somewhere around there i think… then he spins UP and gets magnified or megafied or OMEGAfied and everything just dies for miles around… ;p

    as far as they “why” - those were descriptors i was planning to use later, nothing more. kinda how a normal joe-blow mage would see an archmages fireball burn brighter and hotter, elminsters even more so and daren’s even more than that… was figuring on each strength introducing extra effects as my playtest moved along (so at one point a fireball would start combusting stone, melting metal, etc) and higher-power magic bolts and whatnot would just power on THRU barriers/armor/people…

    never got past development (obviously) because the playtest petered out… i’ll try 'n see if i can locate dwarf’s original notes on 'em if you’d like 🙂


  • DM

    @dwarf said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    was figuring on each strength introducing extra effects as my playtest moved along (so at one point a fireball would start combusting stone, melting metal, etc) and higher-power magic bolts and whatnot would just power on THRU barriers/armor/people…

    This is interesting. And would work in conjunction with spanning the dice out and up a bit…

    Level Adjustment Name Dwarf Damage Die Revised Damage Die
    -1 Cantrip 1d3
    0 Base 1d4 1d4
    1 Weak 1d6 1d6
    2 Light 1d8 1d8
    3 Minor 1d10 1d10
    4 Substnd Effect 2d6
    5 Average 1d12 2d8
    6 Overchrgd Effect 3d6
    7 Glowing 2d6 3d8
    8 Major Effect 4d6
    9 Strong 2d8 4d8
    10 Severe etc 6d6
    11 Radiant etc 6d8
    12 Strobing etc 8d6
    13 Blinding etc 8d8
    14 Molten etc 12d6
    15 Plasmic etc 12d8

  • DM

    @dwarf I would love to hear more about what you were thinking for effects. I want to cement this table before our next game.


  • PC

    you mean i gotta get Drunk Dwarf to cough up files for me again ? * sigh *
    wunner if they have any more of that strawberry beer in yet ?


  • PC

    So in the new 10E Caster system, how would this Druid spell translate to energy / effect type?

    Nature’s Avatar
    https://naggaroth.daerma.com/dndtools/spells/complete-divine--56/natures-avatar--706/index.html


  • PC

    Energy : Primal
    Manipulation : Imbue

    tho, like we played at CabinCon, if you’re trying to generate a specific spell effect there are several “paths” you can use… like admixing Blood and Kinetic with a sprinkle of temporal if you wanna break down the individual parts…


  • DM

    @dwarf said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    Energy : Primal
    Manipulation : Imbue

    tho, like we played at CabinCon, if you’re trying to generate a specific spell effect there are several “paths” you can use… like admixing Blood and Kinetic with a sprinkle of temporal if you wanna break down the individual parts…

    Also I like the idea of playing with the effect based on the damage die you crank in. Some spells will be easier to tweak than others.


  • PC

    Lets continue down this line of thinking.

    in 3.5 we have Nature’s Avatar:

    Evocation
    Level: Druid 9,
    Components: V, S, DF,
    Casting Time: 1 standard action
    Range: Touch
    Target: Animal touched
    Duration: 1 min./level
    Saving Throw: Will negates (harmless)
    Spell Resistance: Yes (harmless)

    You infuse the subject with the spirit of nature. The affected creature gains a +10 morale bonus on attack and damage rolls and 1d8 temporary hit points per caster level, plus the effects of haste.


    In the New 10E system if we wanted to replicate the above 3.5 spell

    Energy: Primal (+1) + Temporal (+9) for the haste effect, or is that all Primal?
    Manipulation: Imbue (+2)
    Strength: Would this be Minor (+3) for the +10? or would the effect remain variable 1d10. And would the affect translate to both the to hit, and damage? or just damage?

    Also how would durations translate?


  • DM

    @halfgiant said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Caster:

    Strength: Would this be Minor (+3) for the +10? or would the effect remain variable 1d10.

    This would be something that varies based on the desire of the caster.

    Not sure on +10 being minor or higher, but the choice to use a variable or fixed bonus would be up tot he caster. A variable bonus would be slightly less power cost than a fixed bonus equal to the max of the variable one.

    So if a variable morale bonus of 1d10 would be a +3 Minor, then fixed +10 morale bonus would be a +4 Substandard.

    Duration should also cost something if it is beyond a round or two IMO, but that is a harder judgement call.

    Based on the above assumptions, let’s look at the calculation we have so far for comparison.

    The original spell is level 9. So that means a minimum caster level of 17.

    Energy Type 1: Primal +1 (Type of fixed bonus)
    Energy Type 2: Temporal +9 (Haste)
    Energy Type 3: Blood +1 (Temporary HP)
    Energy Manipulation: Imbue +2 (Imbue)
    Energy Strength: Substandard +4 (+10 fixed bonus)

    Total: 1+9+1+2+4=17 = Spell Level 9

    Possibly add a +1 due to longer duration? But that would just rise it to caster level 18 which is still level 9.


  • DM

    Taking the same logic to the Haste spell doens’t match as well.
    https://naggaroth.daerma.com/dndtools/spells/players-handbook-v35--6/haste--2823/index.html

    Energy Type: Temporal +9
    Energy Manipulation: Imbue +2
    Energy Strength: Base +1

    Total: Caster Level 12 = Spell Level 6


  • PC

    Types of Duration adders

    Instant
    1 round
    1 minute
    10 minutes
    1 hour
    1 day/24 hours
    Concentration-Based
    Permanent

    You could also drop a power adder for changing the duration from a fixed 1 round, to something that scales to level - i.e. 1 round/level or 1 min/level.

    You also have examples of Special or Varies durations, not sure those are applicable here.


  • PC

    i generally default the duration of non-instant blast spells in 10e to one round per caster level… tho if a caster wants to extend the duration of most any spell he can also “cook” the spell with extra spellpoints to refresh/prolong it… costs 50% of the original cast, so long as the spell is still active (the logic being that you’ve already DONE the work creating the effect, now you’re just adding fuel to the fire).

    of course, there’s metamagic Fcheats like Extend Spell and Repeat Spell, along with Spellbreakers and any number of OTHER ways to do it too 🙂


  • PC

    Defaults for Duration
    Blast Spells: Instantaneous
    Non-Blast Spells: 1 round/level


    Ok. Now lets think about the various Range Types

    Personal
    The spell affects only you.

    Touch
    You must touch a creature or object to affect it. A touch spell that deals damage can score a critical hit just as a weapon can. A touch spell threatens a critical hit on a natural roll of 20 and deals double damage on a successful critical hit. Some touch spells allow you to touch multiple targets. You can touch as many willing targets as you can reach as part of the casting, but all targets of the spell must be touched in the same round that you finish casting the spell.

    Close
    The spell reaches as far as 25 feet away from you. The maximum range increases by 5 feet for every two full caster levels.

    Medium
    The spell reaches as far as 100 feet + 10 feet per caster level.

    Long
    The spell reaches as far as 400 feet + 40 feet per caster level.

    Unlimited
    The spell reaches anywhere on the same plane of existence.

    Range Expressed in Feet
    Some spells have no standard range category, just a range expressed in feet.

    Fondle (Touch Variant - Explicitly Reserved for Alchemist Magic)


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