Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk


  • DM

    Discussion topic for upcoming monk rules


  • PC

    Bust out the Remo Williams/Destroyer books for some Sinanju inspiration for the new monk!

    Many sun rotations ago, Dwarf, I thought put some ideas to paper around this concept. Hard to say if that even exists anymore.


  • DM

    Wokr in progress, here is a basic table… I’ll be posting content for hte abilities as I work up verbiage.

    Anyone is free to post ideas.

    Level Base Attack Bonus Fort Save Ref Save Will Save Special Abilities
    1 +0 +2 +2 +2 Ki Sense I, Bonus Feat
    2 +1 +3 +3 +3 Mastery of Body I
    3 +2 +3 +3 +3 Ki Sense II
    4 +3 +4 +4 +4 Mastery of Body II, Bonus Feat
    5 +3 +4 +4 +4 Ki Sense III
    6 +4 +5 +5 +5 Mastery of Body III
    7 +5 +5 +5 +5 Ki Sense IV, Bonus Feat
    8 +6 +6 +6 +6 Mastery of Body IV
    9 +6 +6 +6 +6 Ki Sense V
    10 +7 +7 +7 +7 Mastery of Body V, Bonus Feat
    11 +8 +7 +7 +7 Ki Sense VI
    12 +9 +8 +8 +8 Mastery of Body VI
    13 +9 +8 +8 +8 Ki Sense VII, Bonus Feat
    14 +10 +9 +9 +9 Mastery of Body VII
    15 +11 +9 +9 +9 Ki Sense VIII
    16 +12 +10 +10 +10 Mastery of Body VIII
    17 +12 +10 +10 +10 Ki Sense IX, Bonus Feat
    18 +13 +11 +11 +11 Mastery of Body IX
    19 +14 +11 +11 +11 Ki Sense X
    20 +15 +12 +12 +12 Mastery of Body X, Bonus Feat
    21 +15 +12 +12 +12 Ki Sense XI
    22 +16 +13 +13 +13 Mastery of Body XI
    23 +17 +13 +13 +13 Ki Sense XII, Bonus Feat
    24 +18 +14 +14 +14 Mastery of Body XII
    25 +18 +14 +14 +14 Ki Sense XIII
    26 +19 +15 +15 +15 Mastery of Body XIII, Bonus Feat
    27 +20 +15 +15 +15 Ki Sense XIV
    28 +21 +16 +16 +16 Mastery of Body XIV
    29 +21 +16 +16 +16 Ki Sense XV, Bonus Feat
    30 +22 +17 +17 +17 Mastery of Body XV


  • @daermadm If I remember correctly, we were thinking that “Ki Sense” would be the evasive aspect of the Monk’s capabilities? What are we thinking “Mastery of Body” would accomplish?


  • DM

    @Immeral said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    @daermadm If I remember correctly, we were thinking that “Ki Sense” would be the evasive aspect of the Monk’s capabilities?

    one of the topics discussed was that the Ki sense would be things that let the monk not get hit.

    Think about all the various Chinese martial arts movies and shows where the monk simply leans sideways or flicks a pea exactly right, etc.

    So some of the potential abilities would be things that increase AC.
    Some would be things that increase miss chance.
    Some would be some other thing that I am sure @halfgiant knows that I don’t in the the rules.

    with a chart to level 30, and needing 15 abilities. some would certainly be just taking one a second time for an improved bonus and such.


  • DM

    @Immeral said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    What are we thinking “Mastery of Body” would accomplish?

    Mastery of body means using your ki to affect your body. Stoneskin, damage reduction, spell resistance, hit points, constitution, etc.


  • DM

    Now some of you are also asking, what is Ki?

    Well in the Manaverse I looked at what we did with the 10 thief and turned it around a bit.

    Instead of simply having no magic, the Monk can actually see and feel it in a sense.

    Think about the Transference of V`Ral story where Sorvani goes out into the wilderness and blinds himself with a super charged detect magic. And then he began to suck in mana until he created an empty bubble and then saw the first wisp of mana seep back into the prime material plane in that empty space.

    The monks Ki sense is basically the reading of the flow of the mana around them. By the way I think for any other verse, this could easily be tweaked to life energy or astral or any such “everywhere around” thing.

    One idea that really caught my fancy was once strong enough (ie high enough level to have the right class abilities) the 10e monk would be able to actually “spot” a 10e thief fairly easily unless the thief was being extra careful (beyond normal). Because the thief would be a black hole moving through the mana.


  • DM

    @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    @Immeral said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    What are we thinking “Mastery of Body” would accomplish?

    Mastery of body means using your ki to affect your body. Stoneskin, damage reduction, spell resistance, hit points, constitution, etc.

    That said, I basically think there should be two different sets of abilities, both with options. Similar to how fighters have combat abilities and energy spirits.



  • @daermadm would “Mastery of Body” encompass both attack and defense abilities?


  • DM

    @Immeral said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    @daermadm would “Mastery of Body” encompass both attack and defense abilities?

    It can. Just needs to make sense.



  • Some ideas for class skills I was thinking of last night. Thoughts?

    Ki Sense Tree

    Third Eye
    Once a day you can open your Eye for 10 contiguous minutes allowing you to see the flow of Mana around you. While your Eye is open you gain +2 to AC and gain the effects of Truesight up to 60 ft. After 10 minutes your Eye closes and you suffer a -3 Constitution penalty for five minutes.

    Trained Third Eye
    You can open your Eye for up to 30 non-contiguous minutes, in two minute intervals, a day. While your Eye is open you gain +4 to AC and gain the effects of Truesight up to 100 ft. At the end of the 30 minutes you suffer a -2 Constitution penalty for 10 minutes. Your Eye recovers after a full rest.

    Practiced Third Eye
    You can open your Eye at will for up to 1 hour. While your Eye is open you gain +6 to AC and Truesight up to 150 ft. Your Eye recovers after a short rest.

    Master Third Eye
    You have mastered the ability to perceive the Mana around you at all times. You permanently gain Truesight up to 15 ft and +4 to AC. While your Eye is open you gain +8 to AC and Truesight up to 150 ft.


  • DM

    Another one in the ki sense line… i like this idea, but I don’t like how this is not usable if you take it at level 1… it needs work.
    Spell Awareness = You can sense spells of level 7+ being cast.
    Spell Awareness 2 = You cna sense spells of level 4+ being cast. or level 7+ that are “concealed”
    Spell Awareness 3 = You can detect spells of level 1+ being cast. or level 4+ that are concealed
    Spell Awareness 4 = You can detect cantrips/innate being cast or level 1+ that are concealed.


  • DM

    Along the lines of the Mastery of Body path:

    Flurry of Blows can be taken multiple times (maybe max of 3 or 4 times/ maybe not?)
    Each time you take this add the effect again.

    • Gain an extra unarmed attack per round

    Inner Strength can be taken multiple times
    Each time you take this you can choose any of the following abilities. Taking one again, adds the effect again.

    • Increase an ability score by 1
    • Increase movement speed by one half of your original base movement (maybe increase by your original base move, give me feedback)
      • If your base move was 30, then it becomes 45, then 60, then 75, etc.
    • Increase BAB by 1
    • Increase unarmed attack damage by 1

    Fists of Power
    Your unarmed attacks are considered magical for purposes of overcoming damage reduction. The effective plus is determined by your level is that is even still a thing. I was thing +1 = 1-5, +2 = 6-10, etc.



  • Mastery of Body Tree

    Needs further discussion around bonus type.

    Mana Deflection (Needs a better name)
    As a quick action you can focus your Ki in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +2 AC/saving throws against harmful spells.

    Trained Mana Deflection
    As a quick action you can focus your Ki in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +4 AC/saving throws against harmful spells. If you make a successful saving throw the effects of the spell are halved.

    Practiced Mana Deflection
    As a free action you can focus your Ki in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +6 AC/saving throws against harmful spells. If you make a successful saving throw the effects of the spell are halved.

    Master Mana Deflection
    You can un/focus your Ki at will in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +8 AC/saving throws against harmful spells. If you make a successful saving throw you can redirect the spell to a target of your choosing.


  • DM

    This bit is confusing.

    If you make a successful saving throw the effects of the spell are halved.

    Based on the description, you seem to be simply modifying the normal save. So assuming the spell has a save anyway, you likely are already taking half damage (typical save result).

    I think this needs reworded. Maybe this?

    Mana Focus (name better or worse?)
    You can focus your Ki to affect spell energy as it approaches your body. As an immediate action you choose to either disperse or deflect spell energy that would affect you. Deflecting spell energy is the act of focusing the Ki (mana) in your body on a single point that becomes mirror like to the spell energy causing it to deflect away from you. Dispersing spell energy is the act of focusing your Ki over your entire body as a shield against the incoming spell energy.

    • Deflection only works against focused spell energy such as line, ray, bolt,and missile type spells. To deflect a spell, you must make a <insert some kind of check here> check. How much you succeed by determines the effect (how much damage you take, and how much you deflect).
    • Disbursement works against any type of spell energy that grants you a saving through. Gain a +2 Ki bonus to your save.

    Taking this a second time increases the Deflection check (wtf ever we make that) and the disbursement save to a +4 Ki bonus. You also get a 30% chance to control the deflection.

    Taking this a third time increases, blah blah. +6 Ki Bonus, 60% chance to control, and it is now a free action.

    Taking it a 4th time +8 ki Bonus 90% chance to control.

    5th time +10 ki bonus, 100% control. now at will.

    Note: This ability is intended to be activated against a spell as it comes in. It is not an “always up” kind of thing.



  • @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    Dispersing spell energy is the act of focusing your Ki over your entire body as a shield against the incoming spell energy.

    Does this include the ability to disperse area of effect spells, e.g. magical darkness, etc?


  • DM

    @Immeral said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

    Dispersing spell energy is the act of focusing your Ki over your entire body as a shield against the incoming spell energy.

    Does this include the ability to disperse area of effect spells, e.g. magical darkness, etc?

    It does not dispell AoE spells. It makes you not be affected by them.

    But in the case of darkness, it would depend on how that works. Is there any documentation on what happens if you have spell resistance and walk into a darkness effect? Asusmiong it simply blots out all light, you would still be in the dark because there is no light getting to you. Even though you are not affected by the spell.



  • Mastery of Body Tree

    Mana Disruption
    As a standard attack, you can specifically target the “Chakras” of a target to disrupt their ability to control the Mana within themselves. If the target fails a Fortitude(?) saving throw they are unable to coalesce Mana into a usable force for 2 rounds; 1 round if they succeed.

    Second time
    4/2 rounds

    Third Time
    Bonus action, 6/4 rounds?

    Fourth time
    8/6 rounds?


  • PC

    you need to be REAL CAREFUL about giving any class the ability to completely shut off the primary ability of another class. don’t think i’ve ever let that happen as a free ability in my games. rendering YOURSELF immune to an attack / ability, sure. but globally nullifying another persons skills ? nope.

    it’d be like denying the fighter his ability to fight, a cleric access to his god, or a thief his ability to sneak - or you the ability to access all of your Ki skills. too unbalancing - like if i gave the 10e thief full immunity to incoming magic but still let him use magic items.

    now i COULD see you using it to “break” their access to one specific energy type, pulling off a Van Damme version of the death touch and disrupting their juju… from a DM perspective, i could even see it fucking with something like dedicated energy beings to a point. walk up, focus your shit and lay some whoopin on a red dragon and (temporarily) deny him access to fire. in that case, i’d rule it like a spent breath weapon and he’d merely have to wait for it to recharge - but that’s my 2 coppers on it ;p


  • DM

    It is not free. His idea as written requires an attack and allows a save. I would also say it is not a touch attack, but a normal attack because of the precision needed. Also nerve pinching through armor…

    I do have an issue with long duration of something like this though. So let’s try this as a change based on the response…

    Mana Disruption
    Your unarmed strike becomes more precise.
    On a critical hit, with any unarmed strike, you hit the various Chakra points of mana in your opponent. You may opt to forego critical damage to instead disrupt the Chakra point causing the target to be unable to control the mana within themselves for 1 round.
    The target will not be able to cast a spell with spell points. Fighters will not be able to manifest their Energy Spirit.

    If this works, we can work on how to grow it.