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    • ImmeralI
      Immeral
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      Mastery of Body Tree

      Needs further discussion around bonus type.

      Mana Deflection (Needs a better name)
      As a quick action you can focus your Ki in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +2 AC/saving throws against harmful spells.

      Trained Mana Deflection
      As a quick action you can focus your Ki in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +4 AC/saving throws against harmful spells. If you make a successful saving throw the effects of the spell are halved.

      Practiced Mana Deflection
      As a free action you can focus your Ki in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +6 AC/saving throws against harmful spells. If you make a successful saving throw the effects of the spell are halved.

      Master Mana Deflection
      You can un/focus your Ki at will in preparation to either: disperse Mana being gathered within your reach, or; to deflect gathered Mana loosed upon you. During this prepared state you gain a +8 AC/saving throws against harmful spells. If you make a successful saving throw you can redirect the spell to a target of your choosing.

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      • daermadmD
        daermadm DM @Immeral
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        This bit is confusing.

        If you make a successful saving throw the effects of the spell are halved.

        Based on the description, you seem to be simply modifying the normal save. So assuming the spell has a save anyway, you likely are already taking half damage (typical save result).

        I think this needs reworded. Maybe this?

        Mana Focus (name better or worse?)
        You can focus your Ki to affect spell energy as it approaches your body. As an immediate action you choose to either disperse or deflect spell energy that would affect you. Deflecting spell energy is the act of focusing the Ki (mana) in your body on a single point that becomes mirror like to the spell energy causing it to deflect away from you. Dispersing spell energy is the act of focusing your Ki over your entire body as a shield against the incoming spell energy.

        • Deflection only works against focused spell energy such as line, ray, bolt,and missile type spells. To deflect a spell, you must make a <insert some kind of check here> check. How much you succeed by determines the effect (how much damage you take, and how much you deflect).
        • Disbursement works against any type of spell energy that grants you a saving through. Gain a +2 Ki bonus to your save.

        Taking this a second time increases the Deflection check (wtf ever we make that) and the disbursement save to a +4 Ki bonus. You also get a 30% chance to control the deflection.

        Taking this a third time increases, blah blah. +6 Ki Bonus, 60% chance to control, and it is now a free action.

        Taking it a 4th time +8 ki Bonus 90% chance to control.

        5th time +10 ki bonus, 100% control. now at will.

        Note: This ability is intended to be activated against a spell as it comes in. It is not an “always up” kind of thing.

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        • ImmeralI
          Immeral @daermadm
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          @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

          Dispersing spell energy is the act of focusing your Ki over your entire body as a shield against the incoming spell energy.

          Does this include the ability to disperse area of effect spells, e.g. magical darkness, etc?

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          • daermadmD
            daermadm DM @Immeral
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            @Immeral said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

            @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

            Dispersing spell energy is the act of focusing your Ki over your entire body as a shield against the incoming spell energy.

            Does this include the ability to disperse area of effect spells, e.g. magical darkness, etc?

            It does not dispell AoE spells. It makes you not be affected by them.

            But in the case of darkness, it would depend on how that works. Is there any documentation on what happens if you have spell resistance and walk into a darkness effect? Asusmiong it simply blots out all light, you would still be in the dark because there is no light getting to you. Even though you are not affected by the spell.

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            • ImmeralI
              Immeral
              last edited by Immeral

              Mastery of Body Tree

              Mana Disruption
              As a standard attack, you can specifically target the “Chakras” of a target to disrupt their ability to control the Mana within themselves. If the target fails a Fortitude(?) saving throw they are unable to coalesce Mana into a usable force for 2 rounds; 1 round if they succeed.

              Second time
              4/2 rounds

              Third Time
              Bonus action, 6/4 rounds?

              Fourth time
              8/6 rounds?

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              • dwarfD
                dwarf PC
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                you need to be REAL CAREFUL about giving any class the ability to completely shut off the primary ability of another class. don’t think i’ve ever let that happen as a free ability in my games. rendering YOURSELF immune to an attack / ability, sure. but globally nullifying another persons skills ? nope.

                it’d be like denying the fighter his ability to fight, a cleric access to his god, or a thief his ability to sneak - or you the ability to access all of your Ki skills. too unbalancing - like if i gave the 10e thief full immunity to incoming magic but still let him use magic items.

                now i COULD see you using it to “break” their access to one specific energy type, pulling off a Van Damme version of the death touch and disrupting their juju… from a DM perspective, i could even see it fucking with something like dedicated energy beings to a point. walk up, focus your shit and lay some whoopin on a red dragon and (temporarily) deny him access to fire. in that case, i’d rule it like a spent breath weapon and he’d merely have to wait for it to recharge - but that’s my 2 coppers on it 😜

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                • daermadmD
                  daermadm DM
                  last edited by daermadm

                  It is not free. His idea as written requires an attack and allows a save. I would also say it is not a touch attack, but a normal attack because of the precision needed. Also nerve pinching through armor…

                  I do have an issue with long duration of something like this though. So let’s try this as a change based on the response…

                  Mana Disruption
                  Your unarmed strike becomes more precise.
                  On a critical hit, with any unarmed strike, you hit the various Chakra points of mana in your opponent. You may opt to forego critical damage to instead disrupt the Chakra point causing the target to be unable to control the mana within themselves for 1 round.
                  The target will not be able to cast a spell with spell points. Fighters will not be able to manifest their Energy Spirit.

                  If this works, we can work on how to grow it.

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                  • ImmeralI
                    Immeral @daermadm
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                    @daermadm I like that. Does that mean every crit can cause this effect in a string of attacks? If so, do they stack?

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                    • halfgiantH
                      halfgiant PC @daermadm
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                      @daermadm More utility but Mastery of the Body concept reminds me of a psionic power from back in the day called Heightened Senses, a monk has the discipline to hone and sharpen all five of their senses: sight, hearing, taste, touch, and smell.

                      First, the Monk has a good chance to notice rogues and assassins who are hiding or moving silently. The rogue’s or assassin’s skill chance is halved when someone with heightened senses is observing him. Even if the rogue or assassin is already hidden, he must roll again when a character with heightened senses enters the picture.

                      Second, the Monk can track someone like a bloodhound. He must make an Intelligence check every turn to stay on the trail or recover the trail if it is lost. His movement rate when tracking is halved. The trail can be no more that XX hours old.

                      Third, the Monk’s ranges for hearing and seeing are tripled. He can, for example, identify a person (in daylight) at a range of 400 yards.

                      Fourth, the Monk can taste poisons or other impurities in quantities which are much too small to cause any harm.

                      Fifth, the Monk can identify almost anything by touch. He can, for example, tell two gold pieces from each other after having previously handled just one of them. He can also tell if something has been handled in the last five minutes simply by handling it himself.

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                      • halfgiantH
                        halfgiant PC @daermadm
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                        @daermadm said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

                        Increase unarmed attack damage by 1

                        Fists of Power
                        Your unarmed attacks are considered magical for purposes of overcoming damage reduction. The effective plus is dete

                        Project Punch

                        Project Punch allows the Monk to focus on a force punch against a target upto 200 yards away. When used offensively, the punch causes XX damage. If powerful enough this force punch can be used to trigger traps, throw levers, open doors, break windows, etc…

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                        • halfgiantH
                          halfgiant PC
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                          A form of the Class ability like the feat Monkey Grip feels like it belongs with this class, maybe not exactly as such…something similar.

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                          • halfgiantH
                            halfgiant PC
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                            If the Monk is about not getting hit, but engaging in combat you can increase his speed, and allow him to weave in and out of combat without being subject to attacks of opportunity. With obscene mobility he runs in, punch, punch, kick, and runs away.

                            The other methods you can use are things like -

                            Shadow Step, Misty Step, Dimension Slide, or Dimension Jumper, Greater

                            Riposte on a miss, gives him a move action to step away from the other blows.

                            Parry (off-hand), opportunity to substitute his off hand attacks to block incoming blows.

                            Shield block, that really depends on if a Monk uses a shield (not sure this really fits)


                            Another method is displacement, the Monks learns to distort and warp light waves. with their body, giving them a XX% chance of avoiding a incoming blow.


                            Or you could go the other way with it and the Monk could sunder the weapon or shield breaking the item, or disarming them.

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                            • halfgiantH
                              halfgiant PC
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                              Monk Homework References

                              Pathfinder - Legendary Monks.pdf (by Legendary Games)
                              Louis Porter Jr. Design - UndeFEATable 9 - Monks.pdf
                              Sword and Sorcery - WW8305 Player’s Guide to Monks and Paladins.pdf
                              Mongoose Press - The Quintessential Monk - mgp4007.pdf
                              Mongoose Press - The Quintessential Monk II - mgp4407.pdf

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                              • ImmeralI
                                Immeral @halfgiant
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                                @halfgiant said in Dwarf Edition: 10e Monk:

                                If the Monk is about not getting hit, but engaging in combat you can increase his speed, and allow him to weave in and out of combat without being subject to attacks of opportunity. With obscene mobility he runs in, punch, punch, kick, and runs away.

                                I like that idea. Not necessarily make him able to take more damage, but way harder to hit

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                                • ImmeralI
                                  Immeral
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                                  Something else that @DarkWulf and I have been contemplating is making him more of a debuff fanatic than necessarily a damage dealer. Whether it be class skills or magic items, something that will allow him to hit things and cause loss of stat points, DoT, whatever. Let’s face it, I’ll never be able to hit for as much damage as Rorek or Kargin, but if I could do damage in other ways, it could be useful - especially if I’m super nimble and can dart around to the different combat areas.

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                                  • DarkWulfD
                                    DarkWulf PC
                                    last edited by DarkWulf

                                    Like applying debuffs whenever he scores a critical hit such as:
                                    -4 to strength for 1/2 turns,
                                    -2/4 to attack rolls, saving throws and such for 1 or 2 turns,
                                    poison effect (say he uses chi to damage a targets blood,
                                    Slowing a target (can only make 1 Move or 1 Standard action each turn till debuff ends)

                                    For use against spellcasters:
                                    Say he can debuff them so that istead of outright stopping their spell casting
                                    they instead are forced to make a concentration check everytime they cast a spell for the
                                    duration of the debuff due to their “Mana being in a chaotic flux from his attack.”

                                    Given he can make like 8 attacks each turn (9 if he is hasted) he could potentally tack on numerous
                                    debuffs, so long as he can score the crit’s to trigger them.

                                    Making it so he has to score crit’s to apply the debuffs keeps him from being OP, cause realistically who is going to score 8 crit’s in 1 attack phase, much less over and over again. So his 8 attacks means each attack phase he is likely to cause 1 debuff, maybe 2 that only last between 1-3 rounds (duration can be discussed).

                                    This was the basis on which the items for Immeral that I brought up in the other post was for…

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                                    • ImmeralI
                                      Immeral
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                                      Ki Sense Tree

                                      Ability to detect mana from the manasphere and it’s manipulations and effects in the physical plane.

                                      Name Description Calculations
                                      Third Eye https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2176
                                      Trained Third Eye https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2176
                                      Practiced Third Eye https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2176
                                      Master Third Eye https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2176
                                      Spell Awareness 1 https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2177
                                      Spell Awareness 2 https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2177
                                      Spell Awareness 3 https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2177
                                      Spell Awareness 4 https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2177
                                      Peter Tingle After years of being engulfed in the vibrations caused by disturbances in the mana you have developed an innate ability to detect those fluctuations and unconciously respond to disturbances within your reach. 1-5: +2 dodge, 6-10: +4 dodge, 11-15: +6 dodge,16-20: +8 dodge
                                      Ki Sense 10
                                      Ki Sense 11
                                      Ki Sense 12
                                      Ki Sense 13
                                      Ki Sense 14
                                      Ki Sense 15
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                                      • ImmeralI
                                        Immeral
                                        last edited by Immeral

                                        Mastery of Body Tree

                                        Ability to concentrate mana from the manasphere into, and around, their body to enhance their physical attribute and abilities.

                                        Name Description Calculations
                                        Flurry of Blows https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2191
                                        Serious Punch By focusing your energy into a singular attack you sacrifice the ability to attack multiple times in a round for improved accuracy and damage. 1-5: + 5 atk/dmg, 6-10: +10 atk/dmg, 11-15: +15 atk/dmg, 16-20: +20 atk/dmg
                                        Wholeness of Body At 7th level or higher, a monk can heal her own wounds. She can heal a number of hit points of damage equal to twice her current monk level each day, and she can spread this healing out among several uses.
                                        Inner Strength https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2191
                                        Fists of Power https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2191
                                        Mana Focus 1 https://obelisk.daerma.com/post/2193
                                        Mana Focus 2
                                        Mana Focus 3
                                        Mana Focus 4
                                        Mana Focus 5
                                        Mana Shield 1 Manifest mana into physical form to protect user from harm. +2 AC
                                        Mana Shield 2 Manifest mana into physical form to protect user from harm. +4 AC
                                        Mana Shield 3 Manifest mana into physical form to protect user from harm. Further mastery of mana manipulation lets you use this ability in non-combat scenarios. E.g. - walking on air +6 AC
                                        Mana Shield 4 Manifest mana into physical form to protect user from harm. Further mastery of mana manipulation lets you use this ability in non-combat scenarios. E.g. - walking on air +8 AC
                                        Master of Body 15
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