Green Orc/Blue Slaad/Ceaser with Croutons
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@daermadm said in Green Orc/Blue Slaad/Ceaser with Croutons:
As for the Prestige classes @halfgiant tossed out there, Hurling Hulker & War Hulk, I need to work on this.
I honestly forgot what we did about prestige classes back in the old 3.5 campaign.Any thoughts on how we are going to handle prestige classes?
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For Slaad - you were requesting information on throwing player characters in battle. Here are a few feats for you.
Throw Anything
Brutal Throw
Fling Ally
Natural Heavyweight Feat (x2 carrying capacity)
Improvised Weapon MasteryDamage Calculation: For every additional 200 pounds of an object’s weight beyond 400 pounds, it deals an additional 1d6 points of damage if used as an improvised weapon.
Reference found in Complete Warrior on Page 159, Table 4-7 Improvised Weapon Damage
Object Weight Damage¹ Examples Less than 2 lb.² 1d3 Mug, torch 2 lb.–5 lb. 1d4 Lantern, manacles 6 lb.–10 lb. 1d6 Chair, shovel 11 lb.–25 lb. 1d8 Ladder, small table 26 lb.–50 lb. 2d6 Barrel (empty) 51 lb.–100 lb. 3d6 Chest (full), big table 101 lb.–200 lb. 4d6 Cart 201 lb.–400 lb. 5d6 Wagon Damage = Base Damage ( see Improvised Weapon Damage included above ) + ((Objectweight-400)/200) * d6
Just three levels in Hulking Hurler may be worth taking.
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@halfgiant said in Green Orc/Blue Slaad/Ceaser with Croutons:
Just three levels in Hulking Hurler may be worth taking.
Three levels taking the bonuses Meteor Strike and Overburdened Heave IMO.
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@halfgiant Titty thank you
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@orc said in Green Orc/Blue Slaad/Ceaser with Croutons:
@halfgiant Titty thank you
wow - i’ve never seen anyone get titty-thanked !! that must be something special
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@dwarf Tittys thanks are the best thanks
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@orc Updated above post.
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SO…
Assuming you have a Strength of 39, Referencing the Carrying Capacity page.
And a couple of key rules we need:
Bigger and Smaller Creatures
The figures on Table: Carrying Capacity are for Medium bipedal creatures. A larger bipedal creature can carry more weight depending on its size category, as follows: Large ×2, Huge ×4, Gargantuan ×8, Colossal ×16. A smaller creature can carry less weight depending on its size category, as follows: Small ×¾, Tiny ×½, Diminutive ×¼, Fine ×1/8.Quadrupeds can carry heavier loads than characters can. Instead of the multipliers given above, multiply the value corresponding to the creature’s Strength score from Table: Carrying Capacity by the appropriate modifier, as follows: Fine ×¼, Diminutive ×½, Tiny ×¾, Small ×1, Medium ×1½, Large ×3, Huge ×6, Gargantuan ×12, Colossal ×24.
Tremendous Strength
For Strength scores not shown on Table: Carrying Capacity, find the Strength score between 20 and 29 that has the same number in the “ones” digit as the creature’s Strength score does and multiply the numbers in that for by 4 for every ten points the creature’s strength is above the score for that row.Table: Carrying Capacity Strength Score Light Load Medium Load Heavy Load 1 3 lb. or less 4-6 lb. 7-10 lb. 2 6 lb. or less 7-13 lb. 14-20 lb. 3 10 lb. or less 11-20 lb. 21-30 lb. 4 13 lb. or less 14-26 lb. 27-40 lb. 5 16 lb. or less 17-33 lb. 34-50 lb. 6 20 lb. or less 21-40 lb. 41-60 lb. 7 23 lb. or less 24-46 lb. 47-70 lb. 8 26 lb. or less 27-53 lb. 54-80 lb. 9 30 lb. or less 31-60 lb. 61-90 lb. 10 33 lb. or less 34-66 lb. 67-100 lb. 11 38 lb. or less 39-76 lb. 77-115 lb. 12 43 lb. or less 44-86 lb. 87-130 lb. 13 50 lb. or less 51-100 lb. 101-150 lb. 14 58 lb. or less 59-116 lb. 117-175 lb. 15 66 lb. or less 67-133 lb. 134-200 lb. 16 76 lb. or less 77-153 lb. 154-230 lb. 17 86 lb. or less 87-173 lb. 174-260 lb. 18 100 lb. or less 101-200 lb. 201-300 lb. 19 116 lb. or less 117-233 lb. 234-350 lb. 20 133 lb. or less 134-266 lb. 267-400 lb. 21 153 lb. or less 154-306 lb. 307-460 lb. 22 173 lb. or less 174-346 lb. 347-520 lb. 23 200 lb. or less 201-400 lb. 401-600 lb. 24 233 lb. or less 234-466 lb. 467-700 lb. 25 266 lb. or less 267-533 lb. 534-800 lb. 26 306 lb. or less 307-613 lb. 614-920 lb. 27 346 lb. or less 347-693 lb. 694-1,040 lb. 28 400 lb. or less 401-800 lb. 801-1,200 lb. 29 466 lb. or less 467-933 lb. 934-1,400 lb. +10 ×4 ×4 ×4 A Hulking Hurler can throw anything that he can carry as a light load (medium with Overburdened Heave part of the Hulking Hurler prestige class).
- Hulking Hurler can throw: Strength 39 can throw 1,868-3,732lb (Medium assumes overburdened heave)
- Add in Natural Heavyweight Feat and your now at 3736-7464lbs
- Add in Belt of the Wide Earth - this would be very easy for Kargin to make for you. You can now throw 7,472-14,928lbs
Overburdened Heave: The hulking hurler can throw a weapon up to two sizes larger than his size category, or an item that weighs as much as his medium load.
Base damage of a 400lb improvised weapon is 5d6.
5d6 + (((14928-400)/200) * d6) = 5d6 + 73d6 = 78d6 (and thats at a 39 strength) + strength damage modifier
It’s important to note, i haven’t integrated ALL of the applicable feats into this build, examples are increasing crit range, increase d6 to d8 damage die, etc…
The goal of this build is to optimize your strength and carrying capacity to the greatest possible extent. Because at Strength 59 with the right combination of Feats you could be throwing 51200 lbs (102400 w/OH). Combine that with the otherwise useless Natural Heavyweight feat and it becomes 102400 lbs (204800 w/OH)
5d6 + (204800-400)/200 * d6 = 1,027d6
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From the Hulking Hurler - Really Throw Anything class ability
The range increment of a thrown weapon or improvised weapon wielded by a hulking hurler is 10 feet + 5 feet per size category the hulking hurler is beyond Large (this is a modification of the Throw Anything feat).
Plus Throw Anything Feat
Your Range is 10 feet + 5 feet per size category (beyond Large) + Throw Anything Feat = Range of 25 feat.
I’m sure the range can be optimized further, i just haven’t dug into it.
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Slaad please give me the break down of your strength score, i have also included many of the popular ways of increasing your strength below.
Base:
Starting: 24 (?)
Racial/Size modifier: +8 (?)
Level Increases to Ability Scores (1/per increase): +4 (?)Items:
- Belt of Giant Strength: +6 (Enhancement Bonus)
- [Future]Manual of Gainful Exercise: +5 (Inherent Bonus)
- Most magic items provide a Enhancement Bonus, but Kargin has the ability to perform an Item Alteration that will allow him to shift the bonus type from enhancement to a circumstance modifier or a competence modifier allowing the benefit to stack with your belt of giant strength.
- Belt of Physical Perfection: +6 Enhancement Bonus (Str, Con, and Dex)
- Belt of Magnificence +6 Enhancement bonus to all stats
- Gauntlets of Ogre Power +2 Enhancement Bonus to Strength
- Pale Blue Ioun Stone +2 Enhancement Bonus to Strength
Optional - Classes
- War Hulk (+2 Strenght/Level) = +20 strength with 10 levels in this class
- 10E Fighter has Adrenalin Surge which is a +6 Physical Bonus
- Barbarians have Rage which confers a temporary Strength boost
- There are others to many to list, the above are some popular ways
Buffs:
- Giant Size +32 Size Modifier to Strength - will need to be outdoors
- Bite of the Werebear - +16 Enhancement Modifier to Strength
- Righteous Might
- Bull’s Strength
- Transformation
- Lots of Polymorph Affects - Enlarge Person, Monstrous Shape, Elemental Body, Form of the Dragon, Shapechange, etc…
- This list can go on and on…but you get the idea
Feats:
Surprising the field of stat increases is kind of lame in the Feats area.- Great Strength really lame for a Epic Feat slot, +1 Strength Increase (unlabeled modifier so it stacks with everything)
- There may be better options out there, i just haven’t stumbled across them in my notes.
Alchemical:
Everyone’s favorite subject, this one i defer to Dregnoth on i believe there are Graft options, and probably Mutagen abilities that can also enhance a subject if willing, or unwilling. -
@halfgiant My strength score is 35 due to racial ability’s and adding level points to it I have not magicked it up yet, my current size level is large how ever after level 24 I will move to Huge ( apparently we keep on growing ) Dwarf helped me a lot with him since I am rusty as fuck on making characters any more
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By my calculations if you have a starting Strength of 35, giving Kargin a little bit of time and coin, he should be able to get you to 65 strength (there are restrictions to this of course)
Hulking Hurler Prestige allows overburdened heave, for medium load/carry:
Strength 25 can throw 533lb (Medium Load/Carrying Capacity assumes overburdened heave)
Strength 35 -> 2,132lbs
Strength 45 -> 8,528lbs
Strength 55 -> 34,112lbs
Strength 65 -> 136,448lbsAdd in Natural Heavyweight Feat (Doubles Carrying Capacity) and your now at
Feat & Strength 65 -> 272,896lbsAdd in Belt of the Wide Earth - (i don’t see a reason why this wouldn’t stack with the feat, but if not there are ways around it). Very easy item to make. Doubles Carrying Capacity again.
Belt, Feat, and Strength 65 -> 545,792lbsDamage = Base Damage ( see Improvised Weapon Damage included above ) + ((Objectweight-400)/200) * d6
[Reference found in Complete Warrior on Page 159, Table 4-7 Improvised Weapon Damage]Base damage of a 400lb improvised weapon is 5d6.
5d6 + (((545,792-400)/200) * d6) = 5d6 + 2727d6 = 2732d6It’s important to note, i haven’t integrated ALL of the applicable feats into this build, examples are increasing crit range, increase d6 to d8 damage die, etc… this is not entirely optimized. Plus if you dip into War Hulk for 10 levels you get another +20…and things get ridiculous.
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@orc what type of Slaad are you a Green, Red, Death, etc…
What other monstrous abilities does your Slaad have since your a 8th level Slaad/15th Fighter.
Also what Feats are you using these days with those bastard swords?
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Since we are traveling with a Alchemist, and we talking about the Slaad, it only seems fitting.
https://dndtools.net/classes/slaad-brooder/
The brooder’s sole purpose is to implant as many eggs pellets as he can to produce the widest possible range of progeny.
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@halfgiant Gawd damn thats ugly … I like it it would take a DC check of 38 not to get pelletized by the Slaad
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Round about, Slaad walking around impregnating everyone, kind of like Dregnoth.
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Expanded Strength Table.
Score Modifier Light Load (lbs.) Medium Load (lbs.) Heavy Load (lbs.) Max Drag (lbs.) (no score) - - - - - 0 - 0 0 0 0 1 -5 0 - 3 4 - 6 7 - 10 50 2 -4 0 - 6 7 - 13 14 - 20 100 3 -4 0 - 10 11 - 20 21 - 30 150 4 -3 0 - 13 14 - 26 27 - 40 200 5 -3 0 - 16 17 - 33 34 - 50 250 6 -2 0 - 20 21 - 40 41 - 60 300 7 -2 0 - 23 24 - 46 47 - 70 350 8 -1 0 - 26 27 - 53 54 - 80 400 9 -1 0 - 30 31 - 60 61 - 90 450 10 0 0 - 33 34 - 66 67 - 100 500 11 0 0 - 38 39 - 76 77 - 115 575 12 1 0 - 43 44 - 86 87 - 130 650 13 1 0 - 50 51 - 100 101 - 150 750 14 2 0 - 58 59 - 116 117 - 175 875 15 2 0 - 66 67 - 133 134 - 200 1,000 16 3 0 - 76 77 - 153 154 - 230 1,150 17 3 0 - 86 87 - 173 174 - 260 1,300 18 4 0 - 100 101 - 200 201 - 300 1,500 19 4 0 - 116 117 - 233 234 - 350 1,750 20 5 0 - 133 134 - 266 267 - 400 2,000 21 5 0 - 153 154 - 306 307 - 460 2,300 22 6 0 - 173 174 - 346 347 - 520 2,600 23 6 0 - 200 201 - 400 401 - 600 3,000 24 7 0 - 233 234 - 466 467 - 700 3,500 25 7 0 - 266 267 - 533 534 - 800 4,000 26 8 0 - 306 307 - 613 614 - 920 4,600 27 8 0 - 346 347 - 693 694 - 1,040 5,200 28 9 0 - 400 401 - 800 801 - 1,200 6,000 29 9 0 - 466 467 - 933 934 - 1,400 7,000 30 10 0 - 532 533 - 1,066 1,067 - 1,600 8,000 31 10 0 - 612 613 - 1,224 1,225 - 1,840 9,200 32 11 0 - 692 693 - 1,384 1,385 - 2,080 10,400 33 11 0 - 800 801 - 1,600 1,601 - 2,400 12,000 34 12 0 - 932 933 - 1,864 1,865 - 2,800 14,000 35 12 0 - 1,064 1,065 - 2,132 2,133 - 3,200 16,000 36 13 0 - 1,224 1,225 - 2,452 2,453 - 3,680 18,400 37 13 0 - 1,384 1,385 - 2,772 2,773 - 4,160 20,800 38 14 0 - 1,600 1,601 - 3,200 3,201 - 4,800 24,000 39 14 0 - 1,864 1,865 - 3,732 3,733 - 5,600 28,000 40 15 0 - 2,128 2,129 - 4,264 4,265 - 6,400 32,000 41 15 0 - 2,448 2,449 - 4,896 4,897 - 7,360 36,800 42 16 0 - 2,768 2,769 - 5,536 5,537 - 8,320 41,600 43 16 0 - 3,200 3,201 - 6,400 6,401 - 9,600 48,000 44 17 0 - 3,728 3,729 - 7,456 7,457 - 11,200 56,000 45 17 0 - 4,256 4,257 - 8,528 8,529 - 12,800 64,000 46 18 0 - 4,896 4,897 - 9,808 9,809 - 14,720 73,600 47 18 0 - 5,536 5,537 - 11,088 11,089 - 16,640 83,200 48 19 0 - 6,400 6,401 - 12,800 12,801 - 19,200 96,000 49 19 0 - 7,456 7,457 - 14,928 14,929 - 22,400 112,000 50 20 0 - 8,512 8,513 - 17,056 17,057 - 25,600 128,000 51 20 0 - 9,792 9,793 - 19,584 19,585 - 29,440 147,200 52 21 0 - 11,072 11,073 - 22,144 22,145 - 33,280 166,400 53 21 0 - 12,800 12,801 - 25,600 25,601 - 38,400 192,000 54 22 0 - 14,912 14,913 - 29,824 29,825 - 44,800 224,000 55 22 0 - 17,024 17,025 - 34,112 34,113 - 51,200 256,000 56 23 0 - 19,584 19,585 - 39,232 39,233 - 58,880 294,400 57 23 0 - 22,144 22,145 - 44,352 44,353 - 66,560 332,800 58 24 0 - 25,600 25,601 - 51,200 51,201 - 76,800 384,000 59 24 0 - 29,824 29,825 - 59,712 59,713 - 89,600 448,000 60 25 0 - 34,048 34,049 - 68,224 68,225 - 102,400 512,000 61 25 0 - 39,168 39,169 - 78,336 78,337 - 117,760 588,800 62 26 0 - 44,288 44,289 - 88,576 88,577 - 133,120 665,600 63 26 0 - 51,200 51,201 - 102,400 102,401 - 153,600 768,000 64 27 0 - 59,648 59,649 - 119,296 119,297 - 179,200 896,000 65 27 0 - 68,096 68,097 - 136,448 136,449 - 204,800 1,024,000 66 28 0 - 78,336 78,337 - 156,928 156,929 - 235,520 1,177,600 67 28 0 - 88,576 88,577 - 177,408 177,409 - 266,240 1,331,200 68 29 0 - 102,400 102,401 - 204,800 204,801 - 307,200 1,536,000 69 29 0 - 119,296 119,297 - 238,848 238,849 - 358,400 1,792,000 70 30 0 - 136,192 136,193 - 272,896 272,897 - 409,600 2,048,000 71 30 0 - 156,672 156,673 - 313,344 313,345 - 471,040 2,355,200 72 31 0 - 177,152 177,153 - 354,304 354,305 - 532,480 2,662,400 73 31 0 - 204,800 204,801 - 409,600 409,601 - 614,400 3,072,000 74 32 0 - 238,592 238,593 - 477,184 477,185 - 716,800 3,584,000 75 32 0 - 272,384 272,385 - 545,792 545,793 - 819,200 4,096,000 76 33 0 - 313,344 313,345 - 627,712 627,713 - 942,080 4,710,400 77 33 0 - 354,304 354,305 - 709,632 709,633 - 1,064,960 5,324,800 78 34 0 - 409,600 409,601 - 819,200 819,201 - 1,228,800 6,144,000 79 34 0 - 477,184 477,185 - 955,392 955,393 - 1,433,600 7,168,000 80 35 0 - 544,768 544,769 - 1,091,584 1,091,585 - 1,638,400 8,192,000 81 35 0 - 626,688 626,689 - 1,253,376 1,253,377 - 1,884,160 9,420,800 82 36 0 - 708,608 708,609 - 1,417,216 1,417,217 - 2,129,920 10,649,600 83 36 0 - 819,200 819,201 - 1,638,400 1,638,401 - 2,457,600 12,288,000 84 37 0 - 954,368 954,369 - 1,908,736 1,908,737 - 2,867,200 14,336,000 85 37 0 - 1,089,536 1,089,537 - 2,183,168 2,183,169 - 3,276,800 16,384,000 -
Boots for you when we get some downtime back in V’Ral.
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Those are nice , the frog just got a lot quicker and a lot more wackity smackity against the bad guys
